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...Ynys Cyrmagh.  The Daanites withdrew here in 2585. And then disappeared from the record of Akados forever.

...the Green Realm. The wild elves do not welcome humans.




I am intrigued by both.

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Bard's Gate notes it's a "distant island"

"The surviving hierarchy of the churches declared Daan
a hero of the faiths and begged that his mortal remains be interred within
the Burial Halls to be honored and protected for all time, but the bloodied
and embittered survivors of Ynys Cyrmagh gave only grim refusals as they
continued their solemn procession all the way back to their distant island
home with the remains of their savior and liberator and thence largely
disappeared from the record of Akados forever."

Interesting that they gave the Lost Lands their name.

"Daanites withdraw to Ynys Cyrmagh; Daanites name the rest of the world as Lloegyr—
the Lost Lands"

As for the Green Realm, they too joined the fight at Tsar:

"The elven lords Ulo and Tarrazal brought archers and spearmen from the Green Realm."

I would love to more about these things too. The lore in Lost Lands is tantalizing! 

...the Tower of Oerson. Where was it? A ruin of this significance should surely have a map location.

...who were the episcopi sent to Akados from Boros? Why was this important to Bard's Gate's history?

...Boros is a planet, a continent, a culture, a kingdom. I bet Boros is also a city, a ruler, a religion and a soft drink.That way it's really fun to attempt to discern which Boros is being referred to. When Boros ruled Boros the Boros were fearful and spread Boros across Boros and eventually all of Boros to find Boros.

...Crynomar Gap and what the elves defended against.

...the Third Exodus. The wild elves had already retreated west during the Second Exodus. Was this more wild elves retreating west? Wild elves in a different region retreating? The original wild elves retreating even further?


Wasn't the Tower of Oerson at Curgantium, the old capital, before it exploded mysteriously?

The episcopi were sent to Bard's Gate? I don't remeber that from the book, but you have a lot more of the books than I do! However, I do recall reading...somewhere...that Boros sent two legions to bring their wayward colony under their control, thinking that this was the alliance hinted at between the elves of Parnuble and the Hyperboreans, against their former homeland. 

The rest, I don't have a clue about...curse all the gods for making me poor...

Oerson established the southern colonies. It's evident his colonies were not pleased with the Boros tyranny/monarchy. Boros first sent the episcopi which I have a feeling aggravated the situation but since they are only mentioned in the Bard's Gate book, I presume they had an effect on the city.Six years later there was a full on rebellion. Two polemarches (so twice what Oerson originally commanded when he tamed the south) marched south to quell the upstarts. The elves under Valenthlis joined the rebels and the Battle of Hummaemidon was decisive in the rebellion's favor. The Empire thus established lasted 2000 years.

Ah yes, the Tower of Oerson was indeed in Curgantium. Thank you, Richard. It's destruction appears to have been the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back resulting in the empire moving east. My fuzzy memory had placed it further north around Tsar and so I was curious why it wasn't identified on the map but you are right, it was definitely south at the heart of the empire in an unmapped (until LL is fully released) region.

Now that I think about how long the empires reigned, I realize I hadn't really thought about the length of time the Huun Imperium has been in existance. It's been around for 1000 years which is a long time. So I keep puzzling over why they'd sweep south and lay siege to Bard's Gate which is a fairly new city. I feel the attack had to be personal as there is a lot of habital land with some major cities in the north. Maybe they are another spinoff from Boros? A colony that fared worse off and blames Hyperborea for their plight? What is left of Boros, their paradise turned to ice when the poles shifted? Or maybe they worship Pazuzu or another related entity and it's just simple revenge?

Maybe Greg will give us a history lesson.

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My guess is the Huun Imperium was never truly interested in Bard's Gate, but the the Knigdoms of Foere further south, and the source of the Crusades.  Possibly to weaken the Crusader City States.  With Oceanus effectively preventing a sea invasion, Bard's Gate and the Lyre Valley are their best avenue for invasion. 

My read on the Imperium is somewhat different.  From what little is available from the Northlands Saga, they claim to be decedents of Hyperborean victims.  And now they want everything that the Hperboreans once had.  Why, however, remains a question. Two thousand years is a very long time to hold a grudge over a people that no longer exists.

Strategically speaking, taking Bard's Gate would be could be a deathknell for Foere and, really, the majority of Akados, as it controls a critical crossing on the continent. We don't have enough information on the Crusader States to really tell if they're viable--or, possibly, already corrupted from within. I have this headcannon that the Crusader States are already broken, but no one realizes it, with the Huun being secretly in control. 

You are, of course, welcome!

I would really love to learn more about the elves, and don't really want to wait until the end of this year or the beginning of next for the Campaign Setting to come out...I'm a bit impatient. 

I personally think the Huun have probably been around a lot longer than 1,000 years; I'm thinking of them as a historical analog to the Caliphates of 5th-7th century, after the death of Muhammad, specifically referring to the Arab-Byzantine Wars in the middle 650s, which lasted for centuries. I seem to also recall a reference to a "Caliphate" in one of the books; I'm not 100% sure which one, honestly, as there's some of the books I've only had a glimpse at from one of my player's collections. It makes me wonder if, somewhere, there is a Muhammad analog for the Huun, perhaps preaching destruction of their historical enemies, the Hyperboreans. I also believe that the Huun have as their ancestor the Hundaei, but I don't have any reference to quote that sort of thing. 


My personal headcannon, though, also includes the Pole Shift being caused by a close call with another celestial body, like a small moon. In order to cause a tectonic shift, rather than literally changing the axis of rotation (as in how Uranus orbits 98 degrees to the solar system's axis of rotation), would require an impact that would render the world completely uninhabitable for a long time, something that would be even larger and more destructive than the impact that wiped out the dinosaurs. 

If we take it, then, that a close encounter with another celestial body tilted the planet's axis of rotation. This would account for the turmoil and the suddenness of the shift; the planet's axis naturally being wobbly wouldn't happen as quickly as it did, otherwise. The setting also has a history of impacts (for example, the Great Darkness, which literally screams to me to be an impactor, probably to the north of the Gulf). 

My crackpot theory is that Tsen was nuked by a submarine launched missile.  It would make sense then that the Great Darkness would be some form of nuclear winter.

I don't know why that's crackpot - if you read the Tsen writeup outside of the 'magical' areas most of the devistation and effects imply the residual from a direct nuclear strike. 


I think many of us have thought about this as a possibility.  If I recall correctly, one of the stand-alone stories had a seamless wall around an ancient one village -- sounds like concrete to me.  There's an "alien" being in the Stoneheart Valley. There is travel to other dimensions described in the Unclaimed Lands. A titan guards passage to a pocket dimension.

I keep thinking of the titans as a culture that destroyed themselves and Tsen was the inadvertant victim of some adventurers finding some ancient tech with an enticing red button or a powerplant melting down, hence my inquiry about titans yesterday. The only description that might refer to titan culture that I remember is a gold tiled hallway with some clouds on the walls.

It's curious that there is a huge gap in the histories around the time of the titans. But no mention of them specifically for any major events.

...the titans. One living and two buried ones are mentioned in the works. The Howling Fortress was built upon works of the titans. Giants gathered titan bones and created a fortress. Ereg died about 5000 years ago which was about -2500IR but there's nothing known about that period.

Eh. I actually don't like the "submarine nuke" idea. I'll be somewhat disappointed if that turns out to be true, and then pointedly pretend its not included in the books. I prefer my cataclysms to be magical in nature.

100% Agreed.

Well, it's only hinted at briefly in the introduction to the Tsen area in SoA.  It would be easy enough to ignore it.  I'm normally not a big gonzo fan either, but there is something about a magical fantasy setting being the postapocalyptic remnants of a technological society that resonates with me.

I'm currently planning a hex crawl through the Lorremach Highhills, and I bought all of the Hex Crawl Chronicles for material to steal.  One of the locations in the Troll Hills is an abandoned ICBM silo.  I can't resist putting it somewhere deep in the hills and hoping my players run across it.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indiscernable from magic. Or something like that.

I've been considering the impacts the imminent Renaissance will have on the Lost Lands. Firearms, hydrolic lifts and printing presses are already being developed. Major changes are in the forseeable future. Magic has made technological advances unnecessary for centuries. But has magic reached it's limits? Is it waning? Is technology really needed to advance civilization? Will change be resisted?

I'm less interested in a submarine missile launch because it's not terribly interesting. I'm leaning towards a lost, advanced, Atlantis-like, submerged civilization. Perhaps sahaguin have stumbled upon "magic" they cannot understand. Perhaps something malfunctioned. Perhaps "something" from the lost society is watching the planet and ensuring it remains the strongest power. It's fun to think about what-if scenarios....

No, I totally agree.  The interesting part isn't the actual missile launch, it's that there may be a fleet of ballistic missile subs keeping an eye on the Borderlands just in case.

As an aside, can anyone give me tips on how to actually reply to a post and have my reply show up at the proper level of indentation?  I hit the reply link at the bottom of the post I'm replying to, but it doesn't seem to indent correctly.

Not really, in-so-far as the indention go. The forums on here are a bit...wonky.

Didn't the Nük (the elves subspecies living in the Northlands) went there during the 3rd Exodus? If so all or part of them would have headed North.


Edit: I've double checked my Northland Saga book. The 3rd Exodus went West. the Nük arrived North about 1000 years after the 3rd Exodus. I don't know if this would count as being part of the 3rd Exodus (West then North) or as a mini 4th Exodus.

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